An Interview with a Demonologist:
questions for Demonologist Kenneth Deel)
See: 20 Questions with
Ken Deel here now.
Where there people that did
not like your choice in profession? Why?
No real opposition really, I don't discuss
my work with my Family. And try hard to keep
things from entering into our lives so they
don't feel the effects of me dealing with
demonic/evil spirits. We get problem
with Fundamentalist Christian who think I
am a Satanist. The old definition of Demonologist,
is a black witch, whom conjures demons up
through rituals to have them do their bidding.
When I am the opposite, whom seeks to remove
them from affecting peoples lives and homes.
I use my Knowledge of Demons to underline
their strategies of Infestation (hauntings),
Oppression and Possession to help these cases.
To these Fundamentalist, I simply use the
word "Deliverance", so they better
understand from their perspective what, in
part, I do.
What exactly do you do?
A Long answer on that one.
I investigate the claims by various
means when it is warranted, starting with through
personal interviews, truly "listening to
the client". A scientific team might be
called in to gather evidence 'if needed', (but
mainly to try to gather physical evidence on
tape/film for example). But I approach these
as more of a "spiritual" than a "scientific'
methodology, of course, never setting aside
a notion it can indeed be merely a "Medical"
or have 'Natural' explanation. But, part of
my investigative work involves clearly defining
'natural' from 'supernatural' or paranormal.
True demonic cases leave clear footprints enough
for those who know what to look or listen for,
some of us in the field can identify the dark
spirit is present without dragging in a full
team with equipment. And as we know the demon
to be elusive, purposely avoiding a capture,
such an investigation will too often turn up
nothing. Thus, it is not alone reliable means
to effectively diagnose a haunting. As I suspect
a true haunting, I arrange for "Prayer
teams", submit 'prayer request' to specific
community and organizations, even through my
own parents, whom themselves are very devout
Catholic/Christians and more knowledge on these
topics than most "Demonologist" out
there, as some few know.
So we offer these prayers for
those tormented by the evil ones, and through
these 'positive' intercessions from heaven,
it is more to help these people to 'help themselves'.
Let me stress again, I am not
an 'Exorcist', as I never claimed to be, and
I don't generally 'bless' homes, I am not a
Priest. I will however instruct a person or
family on how to do an effective blessing themselves.
Again "Help them to help themselves".
A doctor can at some point advise a diabetic
to" lay of the sugar", and eat an
assigned diet, but he can only do so much. As
it is up to the individual themselves at some
point to follow the advice to "Help themselves".
And we certainly hope they don't let things
go to where some more drastic measures are needed.
In case, a full blown exorcism, would be considered
as they let things go so far, such 'surgery'
seems to be the only solution to save them.
As a "Demonologist"
I do all of the initial "leg-work"
prior to these final "deliverance"
phases. This is where these third party Deliverance
team(s) / Exorcist, enter the case, and this
includes protestant ministers, not just Catholic,
whom are more accessible yet effective enough
in many cases. So after my diagnosis and recommendation
it is more so up to the people whom are having
the problems and it is the job of the Deliverance
team/Exorcist to work with the person to rebuke
the offending spirits. Although I actually find
that many haunting cases in general can be solved
without anyone but the Priest or Exorcist physically
stepping foot inside the home.
As in my profile introduction
cited, my approach is more so from a Christian-Judea
perspective, this is understood by clients as
I make try to make it clear, when I am contacted.
As some lower level solutions I can provide
can be stated with a more "universal"
understanding, if the client request a faith
practitioner outside of my 'belief system',
sometimes the best I can offer is a referral
to someone who might be able to help them. However,
most often when the haunting is extreme enough,
they will "try anything" for a solution,
even if they are themselves NOT Catholic, Christian,
or Jewish themselves.
I myself am independent of what
are called 'Deliverance teams', however, the
client is a 'client for life', during the entire
process I might talk with the client for a great
number of hours, to help keep their 'spirits
high' in the least, to help them understand
what they are going through. (Note I as cite
"Spiritual Warfare Advisor", "Catholic
faith Advisor" as another part of the job
description.) I often find that I actually spend
more time talking with these victims of these
cases than anyone during the process of the
'healing' and after.
The Counselor role goes beyond
giving advice, as often times people need to
hear words of encouragement, coaching on 'positive'
thinking, and so forth, as demonic infestations
can be very taxing on one psychologically, (as
that is a part of it), so I try to do what I
can to keep their spirits higher.
At some point I might recommend
a 'Psychologist/Psychiatrist, (Medical doctor),
or as in more often the case, a 'spiritual advisor'
(only true ordained Clergy), based on the client/family
denomination or faith, this is more so common
to 'possession' cases. This may involve an entire
family, which may require a form of therapy
to get through those darker times. I can also
serve to advise clients of the Catechism of
the Roman Catholic church as well as other Christian
faiths in General, that is again, a part of
"helping them help themselves" steering
them into the right direction, as spiritual
more often problem entail spiritual solutions.
I might have to "dig deeper" just
to get a better understanding of "Why"
the haunting might be there to begin with, and
to better recommend an affective solution. But
this goes a long way, often I find I can help
people through intercession prayers without
even stepping foot into ones home. Really all
that is needed is a clear diagnostic of the
haunting. Then I go to recommend, and help apply
the appropriate 'solutions'.
A "Spiritual Advisor"
will help them be more active in 'their' church
(for example), in ways that will better help
with the 'healing' process. A Catholic Priest,
for example, can help them to make a 'better
confession' , where this for myself can otherwise
be, to say the least, a bit 'awkward', (probing
deeper into ones more personal life, as when
helping them examine their spiritual life for
'sin'). So I prefer leave it up to their church
Priest/Minister, although that isn't always
how it follows that route...
How did demons come to be?
Christian-Judea belief has them
as the "Fallen angels", as angels
they were created by God, long before man. But
"the fall" is what made the demons
as we know them.
Are there multiples
of the same demons or is there just one of each
kind? (If just one) Why do you think that is?
Many of the same types of Demons,
but they can appear distinctively different.
There are far fewer of the high ranks. Sort
of like “Generals” versus the “Soldiers”.
You'll have ones whom represent
themselves as small animals, cats, dogs, even
insects. Others are as a back mass, like a tornado.
Some are more evil them others by nature, more
malicious. Others are almost like naughty little
children, with an apparent lower intelligence.
Almost sound like some urban street gang, and
in a way they can work like one. As intelligence,
wisdom, appearance can vary greatly amongst
What are some misconceptions
It is not the job of a Demonologist to exorcise
the spirits, mainly the legwork is done in investigative
work, in identifying the type of spirit. There
is an assumption because one demonologist blesses
a home all are supposed to. The way to view
it is this, "Demonologist" should
be considered one who has a deep understanding,
knowledge of demons. This through study, experience,
and so forth. But simply deciding to deal with
Demonic haunting does not make one a demonologist.
Anymore than visiting the zoo daily or feeding
the animals makes you a "Zoologist".
Different types of Demonology. All are consider
in the study, but much is based on mythology,
such as Lilith considered part of the Apocrypha,
even by the Catholic faith. Although we understand
and recognize a Succubus (sex demon), we don't
equate it to the story of Lilith in it's origin.
All should consider Demons as
real. Although the Christian-Judeo faith tells
them to be "fallen angels", but we
can all agree that they are In-human and evil
I think the word DEMON has been
abused. Also people equate it to Sunday school
and podium pounding power-preachers preaching
Demons, and hell. Just because of some resentment
to being force to attend church as a child isn't
a reason to ignore the fact that Demons exist.
Some other FACTS:
+ They Can't reproduce. They can at best, create
demonic/human hybrids, but these are not Demons,
again they re Nephilim.
+Demons are inhuman spirits.
+Demons CAN kill you, and do more than we know.
Example. What is perceived as dying in one sleep
could be induced death from a demonic spirit.
+Although some condemned human souls might take
on the appearance of a Demon, they are not demons.
+Demons can not be killed or born. (i.e. Buffy
killing with karate kicks or a sword)
+Demons do not do good deeds, intimately anything
they do is for the greater plan of your destruction,
regardless of how they might seem to "Do
you a favor" once. So anything that appears
to be 'good' on nature on their part has a hidden
agenda built in that in the big picture is only
part of a more elaborate plan for something
longer term. They is an appeasement. Imagine
if the US struck a deal with OSAMA BIN LADEN
to ask him to not attack anymore.
+Demons vary in power, wisdom and intelligence.
They will be smaller size demons that almost
seem like Children for example. So identifying
the type of Demon(s) is also important in the
'diagnosis. Demons will less power might be
easily scared off or rebuked, while higher ranked
demons can be a long haul problem.
I can go on and on. I find that
the book I am writing will be quite vague in
itself on these facts, when one considers what
should be known versus what can fit in one volume
What have been some of your
most scariest/strangest/unnerving experiences?
I experienced what Saint Alphonse
de Spina (1467), called "The Marching
Hordes" in 1979, it was many years before
I figured out what it really was. I will have
to better research that area from Civil war
activity, as that was what the phenomenon resented.
I was in a disbelief more than anything watching
it take place.
My first shadow person was one
of the most frightening. Age 15, which began
as a figure in the doorway, then aggressively
moved towards me in the darkness, it scared
me so much I thought someone broke in and saw
I caught them lurking and went to keep me silent.
I screamed and jumped out of my open screened
In 1995 (I think it was),
I awoke to find myself pinned in bed when sleeping
in late one morning face down, by a creature
I can only describe as being a grotesque looking
succubus by it's description. This was a time
in my life as a single man I strayed into sinful
life or wine, women and song, which was the
invitation to such a spirit. Around this time
I would wake up at night and with a 'presence'
in bed with me. I was facing the other way,
and at first thought was I had a over night
visitor, I forgotten I invited home. Then I
awoke I realize this wasn't true. I could feel
it move, like person lying next to you
and I was afraid to roll over to see whom or
what it was that was in bed with me. Then
I would look and nothing was there. Never, ever
had these experiences until that time period
in the mid 90's as I describe. It was
unique and unmistakably, as I am a married man
now for 8 years, what is like to have one next
to you in bed sleeping.
That same year I awoke to see
a mans face looking at me through my window,
if I was an older man that would have certainly
induced a heart attack or stroke, my heart was
beating so fast. And there was no way a person
could have slipped into the yard out in the
boonies and left that fast. I grabbed a tennis
racket and opened the door to fast for anyone
to slip away. Later I figured it had to be a
For some seeing a face in your window, is an
early warning stage of infestation, such as
having the telltale knocks on your door, to
fid no one is there.
What is the difference between
what you do and an exorcist?
I don't go about place to give
a blessing, it isn't part of my Job Description
really. Although if I had to I would do it.
And if forced to take action to. I will always
carry holy water, to use in case of an emergency.
But only have ordained clergy bless a home,
or instruct the home owners to do it. They have
more authority on their property than I to tell
some spirit to go.
In short an Exorcist is for the
solution, the "deliverance" stage,
rebuke. Often some Ghost hunting groups go in
with a one day solution investigate, infinity
and bless. Which is a bit reckless.
So my work goes from the initial
diagnosis through to a recommendation for a
solution. Which may or may entail an "Exorcist"
or "Deliverance team". They
beyond that I often find I provide some moral
support as they undergo the 'healing' process.
All of these things an Exorcist (Catholic) does
not do, as he is a 'specialist'. I can cover
much of the before and after, but I do not take
the place of what I call a "Spiritual counselor"
whom is typically the Pastor at the church of
their faith. Or a medical professional.
How does one know they are under
a demonic attack? and what should they do?
Holy water works for all faiths,
shouting "In the name of Jesus, I command
you to…" seems to be universal as
well but will have more power for those with
a stronger faith in his power. Always say the
command at least three times while sprinkling
From a more universal standpoint.
Holy water is a pure element, blessed by a priest,
to empower it with Gods powerful energy (grace).
A Sort of magical imbuement of energy stored
in it. Other pure elements such as Salt and
oil, and even honey will also play a part.
Also from a universal Standpoint,
one should consider Jesus was an Exorcist in
his days on earth, in the after life is still
a positive force to call upon in removing these
However, this might not fare with
the Jewish faith, I find that even many Pagans
I don't expect to 'convert' other
faiths just help them anyway I can, and provide
a better understanding of what they are dealing
with. As for myself, I stick with the
traditional Catholic/Christian teachings, however
I won't ignore what is true and what works,
so long as the belief and practice isn't frown
upon by my faith.
Why is it that most people only think of demons
as entities of pure evil?
Because of their nature, it is
also outline through their actions. Some appear
less evil than others as some are more powerful.
I have found through the years of experience
and study that the "Fallen angels"
definition of Demons best fits their actions
and interactions. You could say finding this
truth is why I am not an Agnostic or an Atheist.
Their clear aversions to say Crucifixes for
You can go into any house, with
people of ANY faith and holy water and a Crucifix
will affect them like a repellant in the least.
One universal description is because Evil, or
"negative" is repelled by "Positive".
This is all a spiritual battle so we use spiritual
things. Water in it's natural state is
pure, as is sea salt, for example. "Blessed"
water, is energizing it with a 'positive' energy,
Imbue a positive force within the water. The
same is said for when other objects that
are "Blessed". Consider, that
in the least, Jesus as a Positive spirit. In
life he battle these evil spirits casting them
out, healed the sick, talked of peace and love.
In the afterlife he is a very positive force,
where prayers and even saying his name is a
call to him to do battle with the demons.
Demons also avert from Light,
cling to the darker corners of the room, even
when a 5w light bulb is lit. They stay close
in the shadows. Light is positive as well. The
very nature of demons prefers the dark to the
light, the negative to positive. This is understood
before you realize from their very actions,
that alone spells EVIL.
No religion spin here. From a universal observance,
this was concluded from experience. Testing
these spirits, what works what doesn't and so
Do you know which and why some demons (where
or are) considered gods?
If a Demon would become a physical
being, one of the first things it would do,
is to Consider itself a god. After all it would
have powers, and wisdom and knowledge of
the ages, as compared to us mere mortals. So
to them such a title would fit. However,
some lower demons simply aren't with the power
and wisdom to pull off such a thing.
In short this is in saying they
may declare themselves gods, but I for one don't
consider them to be anything ore than fallen
angles, with 'god like' powers yes, but only
Were Demons once
considered gods at some point in history?
They were never gods, just Angels,
which have god like powers in compare of humans.
They were Angels of different Ranks before becoming
'The Fallen ones'
The 'gods' was the Nephilim, the hybrids of
man/demon that were said to dominate during
the 'days of Noah'. The Giants mentioned briefly
in the old testament. Was in reference to this
race of self proclaimed gods that were actually
Demonoids, half-human. I see that likely the
gods of mythology were all based on actual events.
And every one of the Gods were the Nephilim.
But this is speculation since there is so little
to reference this now.
In what general areas and times
were demons thought/known to of been most active?
The darkest of night, even higher
demons find more power in this time frame.
Typically the hours between 2-4 am. The
3-4am time stretch, which is the true 'witching
hour', however as man messes with the time on
a clock, it may show 2 when it is actually 3am
because of daylight savings time.
3 is symbolic, a person might
be looking at the clock to see 3:00 as a sign
of a demonic presence. The clock may be off
by minutes, or daylight saving could make it
off by an hour. But we do find that 3 am is
a time when the viel between this world and
their world is at it thinnest. It is also consider
the darkest of the night. They have power in
darkness, they don't in light. Three is also
said to be symbolic of the "Trinity",
a mockery, The Demonic does things in threes,
but I am not 100% sure this is the reason for
it. Three scratches that appear on a person
skin from nowhere, three knocks, and so forth.
The number three comes up more than once to
be another possible indication of a demonic
Interestingly, It is said that
Jesus died on the cross at 3PM, His ascension
on 3rd day was at 3PM, and Mary's assumption
also about 3PM. Which says that the high noon
of the daytime frame, is a time where apparently
a portal to heaven is more open. Or it's veil
is at it's thinnest.
reading from my blog: "The Significance
of 3 a.m."
What do you think became of them today?
More prevalent, more active, demonic
haunted cases are on the rise, 10 years ago
even few cases were known. Today it is getting
to be an epidemic.
Their nature and intent will never
change, it is truly a war between the good and
evil and we are part of it.
Knowing this is
probably one aspect of your life, what do you
like to do outside of this?
I also started my interest in
radio electronics with a crystal radio set in
second grade. Electronic and computer repair,
Commercial Art, while now 3D game development
and music are more so hobbies. Art and Technology
related areas have my interest. I find that
my methodical approach to repairing electronics
of diagnosis, and solving issues with consumer
electronics can play a part in how I handle
a case. I have 33 pinball machines I am
restoring, I bought 2/3 of them with issues
in need of repair. Recently I have been pushing
myself to finally learn to play lead guitar.
I play keyboards also, nothing
fancy as much with lead stuff just melodic
chords and such. I own 4 Peavey DPM4's, a DPM
3SE, DPM SI, DPM 488, Korg POLY 800, and a KORG
"Woe to the earth and to
the sea because the devil has gone down to you
in great wrath, knowing but he has a short time"
– So true it seems to be now a days.
In Genesis the fall of Satan is
prophesized: "And She'll crush thy head
and ye shall lie in wait for her heel"
is told in the original translated Greek text.
A " She" not "He",
with men reasoning whom a she can be they saw
it fit over the years to rationalize the changing
of the text from "SHE" to "HE".
One of my favorites because it explains why
Demons recoil to pictures of the Bless virgin
Mary, and also, how men can try to justify changing
something they don't understand.
Acts 16:16 reminds us all so-called psychic
Gifts are not of God and can be from a Demonic
What are some good resources for those who want
to learn more about demons?
TAN Books publishing has many
books on this. I still recommend "The Demonologist"
by Gerald Brittle, as it describes the demonic
Father Amorite Books, "And Exorcist tells
his story" and "…More stories"
Father Fortea's "Interview with an Exorcist"
Also I hope to fill my own resource
pages up more and more over time, and complete
and publish my book, which is aimed at the topic.
Anything you would like to add?
Demonology is a dangerous topic,
reading their names or endeavoring into an unhealthy
interest can lead to you destruction.
I heard of how just reading about them is enough
to draw lurking shadows. One you begin the study
you will have to take a higher does of the spirit.
People assume the old flying objects
and fleeting shadows, when it truth, Demonic
activity might take place behind the scenes,
working through increasing destructive behavior
and making bad choices, "Bad luck"
as some define it. Always be aware you will
have to pray much much more once you take on
Demons far to often bait the
unsuspecting with the melodrama of a "Lost
Child spirit" for example. It can be just
all a cleaver masquerade, (and not a human Child's
spirit), trying to lure the home owners to open
the doorway, through unhealthy obsession and
actions that might give it permission to manifest
in their lives.
Regardless of the popularity of
religion, there is no scientific solution to
a demonic haunting.
It requires a 'spiritual solution'
in battling these spiritual demons.
Keep in mind Temptation is a bore for some to
read of, but it is indeed the first stage of
a Demonic presence, and it is used to get you
to open the door ways to an Infestation/haunting.
We are all responsible for our
© 2008 Kenneth Deel (Catholic) Demonologist
– Paranormal Taskforce