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Bobby Zoeller:

MY APPEARANCE ON THE TIM YANCEY RADIO PROGRAM

BOBBY ZOELLER

By Bobby Zoeller

 

I never met Tim Yancey before. In fact, I had only talked to him once on the telephone well over a year before as we discussed Waverly Hills here in Louisville and how I thought that particular "haunted location" was the goose that laid the golden egg as far as the owners were concerned seeing as how it had managed to take in untold amounts of money as a "non-profit" organization over the last few years. But when he offered me the opportunity to appear on his Sunday evening radio program out of West Palm Beach, Florida broadcast on 1230 WBZT to discuss the past two years and our efforts in exposing fraud in the paranormal industry, I gladly took him up and accepted the invitation. Please Also see Tim Yancey, Trish Yancey, And Jason Gowin - Just The Facts!

Tim had been in Louisville a few weeks before as part of the 2008 Mid-South Paranormal Convention hosted by Keith Age and the Louisville Ghost Hunters Society. My wife had e-mailed him about two weeks prior to this and he talked about meeting us in person while he was here. We were under the impression he was going to contact us since it was he who had a schedule to keep regarding the convention, but he later said he thought we were going to contact him instead. Whatever the case, the face-to-face meeting never materialized, and I had been warned the previous year if my wife or I happened to show up at the convention in person we would be escorted out by the proper "authorities" according to a certified letter we received from Keith Age and his second-in-command Dale Clark. This was because we had an active campaign designed to tell the truth when it came to Mr. Age and his various claims pertaining to the paranormal and his associations with the famous and the important, something which Mr. Age excelled in embellishing. Or, usually, just outright lying about. But that's neither here nor there I suppose. We weren't allowed at the convention, so meeting Tim Yancey there was out of the question.

So, as the case may be, Tim Yancey offered me the chance to debate him on his show. I accepted the challenge. Tim it seems was upset that I had declared him an entertainer and I seriously doubted his qualifications when it came to being labeled a "paranormal researcher." In my opinion, as I told him on the show, I saw where he took the information and research compiled by others and fashioned it into a presentation he gave that entertained the paying public. Tim argued the point telling me he was indeed a researcher and went on to say how he had researched the so-called "Amityville Horror" for the past five years. I sent him a follow up e-mail asking him seven specific questions pertaining to Amityville that he neglected to reply back on. During the show I asked several of these questions. More about that later. I was invited on his show not to expose the frauds in the industry, but to debate Tim Yancey on his qualifications to call himself a "paranormal researcher." So be it. I figured I could do that just as easily.

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While I was getting ready to appear on the show, the day before I sent out an e-mail to Tim with copies going to about three dozen other people just checking on the status of my appearance. I did this because in the past two individuals, Steve LaChance and Ed Craft, both offered me the opportunity to appear on their respective programs only to pull the rug out from under me later fearing the questions I would ask and the tone the debate would have. To Tim's credit however, I was allowed on his program that Sunday evening with no preconditions and the show got underway promptly at 9 P.M. east coast time. People in a five county area surrounding West Palm Beach could pick up the broadcast on their AM radios, while the rest of the world could get a live, steaming version, via the internet.

I called the studio about five minutes before air time and his producer answered the phone. He took down my name to confirm I was the evening's guest. Satisfied with my information, I was placed on hold as the opening segment was being broadcast. Within minutes, we were live on the air and Tim greeted me and I thanked him for having me on. Then the real work began.

After a short introduction explaining who I was, why I became involved in all of this, and my past involvement with Keith Age and the Louisville Ghost Hunters Society where I had been a member for three years, we got down to business. Tim took offense to my statements labeling him an entertainer as opposed to a serious researcher of the paranormal. I explained to him one of the people who I respect in this "field" if you want to call it that, Dr. Tim Harte of Illinois, told me several months back he knows numerous people in Florida, and up until about two years ago none of them had ever heard of the name Tim Yancey. I went on to say I viewed what he does as an entertainment show that he presents at various conventions and conferences throughout the country. Tim countered by saying he was a researcher and gave me an example saying he had personally researched the Amityville story for more than five years and that, in part, makes up the presentation he gives the public.

The program varied back and forth at times, but centered mostly on Tim's Amityville information and my questions regarding that information and what he does for a living seeing as how he claims all of the paranormal related business basically results in a loss for him and he loses money at nearly every event he attends. He wouldn't tell me or the listeners exactly what it is he does, but referred to it as "being in the security field." I explained to him my wife Patti works at the private FBO section of Standiford Field here in Louisville and is responsible for letting the likes of George W. Bush, Barack Obama, John McCain, and other assorted politicians and celebrities through the chain link gate fencing off the airport from the rest of the public and I'm willing to say all of that on the radio. I told him the Secret Service doesn't get through her gate unless they provide some identification, and I was pretty sure whatever he did at his job did not entail that level of national security. However, he still declined to state exactly what it was his "security" work consisted of other than to say it was in the "transportation field." So, I dropped that line of questioning.

We talked at length over what I perceived as Tim using the paranormal platform as a way to sell DVD's and entice the public to partake in the conventions he finds himself at as a featured speaker. Tim claimed he makes no money at any of this and stated on average he's lost $700 at each of the five conventions he's attended so far this year. I told him, to me, that would be a very expensive hobby, especially since it showed no monetary return. I questioned him as to his earlier e-mail in which he stated John Zaffis was collecting $2500 at conventions he was part of and the guys from T.A.P.S. were commanding $8500 an appearance and said that someone was obviously making money at this and perhaps he was not a very good businessman when it came to cashing in on the events. He persisted in saying he made no money at any of this and stated it was costing him $100 for the hour he was having me on his show that he would have to pay the radio station.

During the show I asked Tim several of the questions I had posed to him earlier in an e-mail regarding Amityville. These included asking why it was that the local native Americans denied the location at 112 Ocean Avenue was ever an Indianan burial ground, as portrayed in the film, and why "cloven hoof prints" were reportedly seen in the "fallen snow" outside of the house when, according to National Weather Service records for the time, there had been no snow in the area. Tim explained that the book and movie had some inaccuracies in them and George Lutz would be the first to say so. He also went on to play two recorded excerpts, one from the priest involved in the case and one from George Lutz himself. I went on to ask several other questions concerning Amityville, including why Ronald Defeo changed his defense several years ago and no longer claimed the "demons" told him to kill and why it was that his defense lawyer once stated in a magazine interview the entire story had been concocted over "several bottles of wine" with George and Kathy Lutz. Finally, I asked why it was that no other residents of the house after George and Kathy Lutz appeared to experience anything paranormal in origin there and this had a record going back nearly thirty years.

But the thing I found the most interesting during this part of the show was how Tim Yancey seemed to accept nearly everything George Lutz had told him, despite the fact much of the information had been debunked years before by various researchers who said the story just didn't add up. Tim mentioned the famous Warrens that had come to Amityville back in the 1970's and basically built a career out of the "Amityville Horror" that followed, and I said from my observation everyone who ever claimed this story was true seemed to have a stake in convincing the public it was genuine.

We had two call-ins during the sixty minute program, one coming from a man who said he had met Tim Yancey on stage at the "Haunted Hickory" convention held in North Carolina and that Tim had "helped him with his problems." I gave my opinion of this, saying a psychiatrist or a psychologist may be more in tune with helping him with his problems than talk show host Tim Yancey. But, I think my advice went unheeded.

In the end I can say it was a very lively debate and I think we both scored points and made ourselves heard. Tim will still argue he is a researcher who makes no money at presenting his work at numerous conventions to an audience willing to pay money to hear it, and I will continue to argue he is an entertainer who entertains people who don't require a lot to be entertained.

But, I've never said I do not like entertainers. I do. And I think Tim Yancey is good at what he does. We just have a difference of opinion on just what that is.

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About Bobby Zoeller

Bobby Zoeller is a former member of Louisville Ghost Hunters Society. At one time he was the Case Manager of LGHS.

Bobby Zoeller is a former member of Louisville Ghost Hunters Society. At one time he was the Case Manager of LGHS. Please Also see: Bobby Zoeller: THE LOUISVILLE GHOST HUNTERS AND THE INVOLVEMENT OF KEITH AGE AT WAVERLY HILLS

Born in 1959 in Louisville, Kentucky Bobby Zoeller has been interested in the paranormal his entire life. Never having experienced what he would term a "supernatural event" with one minor exception, that nonetheless hasn't stopped him from seeking out and trying to answer questions that have always fascinated him. Raised as a Roman Catholic, his interest in demonic possession has always been foremost in this field of study, but unfortunately reliable documentation regarding those events are few and far between. Researching prior cases that have come to light in recent years has not convinced him to date that the phenomena actually exists to any great degree, and looking over some of the more well publicized cases he tends to doubt most of what he has read and seen from the so-called experts that comment on the events.

He joined a local paranormal group based in Louisville back in January of 2003 known as the Louisville Ghost Hunters Society headed by Founder and President Keith Age. He later met his future wife there and they married in May of 2004. While a member of the organization, he became a lead investigator with the group and was appointed the group's Case Manager in the fall of 2004. Both he and his wife participated in close to two dozen on-site investigations during their time there, and the high profile 2004 investigation of the Willard Library in Evansville, Indiana was his opportunity to showcase the LGHS.

Following several questionable accounts involving the group's president, he resigned as Case Manager on February 28, 2006 and within a week quit the group altogether. His wife was removed from the group by the actions of the president. Upon leaving LGHS and discovering much of what he had been told in the past and been led to believe to be facts turned out to be mostly misinformation or outright lies on the behalf of the group's leader, both he and his wife undertook a campaign to expose what they considered fraud and the scamming of the general public all in the name of making the group's leader famous. Documented evidence was gathered from sources around the country to prove their case and the information was first displayed publicly on an independent web site and later on two Yahoo message groups. The web site was taken down by the actions of the former group's leader and the first Yahoo group disappeared after complaints were lodged against it by the very people it was designed to expose.

He has been fighting what he see's as corruption and fraud within the paranormal field now for the past two-and-a-half years, and has had a very difficult time when it comes to the "experts" in the field as it seems no one wishes to speak ill of the others. In short, he has discovered more deception and more media manipulation over the past two years than most people will witness in an entire lifetime. The "experts" refuse to answer direct questions put forth to them, they in many cases continue to con the public out of both their money and their common sense, and the only reason he continues on at this point is because he does not want the uninformed or the more gullible members of the public and the media conned like he was for three years.

He currently work as the shipping and receiving manager for a large sheet metal fabrication plant in Louisville, Kentucky and spends his spare time researching and exposing what he considers fraud and deception within the paranormal field.

If you have any questions you would like answered or have information regarding any high profile "paranormal experts" that you find troubling, you can contact him at r_zoeller@bellsouth.net. And Please Share your Paranormal And Ghost Hunting opinions responsibly!

 

 

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